From pingouin@bellsouth.net Mon Jul 1 00:10:43 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] HD Fun in my SS20 Message-ID: I have to HDs in my SS20: ok probe-scsi Target 1 Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST32430W SUN2.1G066600520918 Copyright (c) 1995 Seagate All rights reserved Target 3 Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST31200W SUN1.05872400650796 Copyright (c) 1994 Seagate All rights reserved 0000 Target 6 Unit 0 Removable Read Only device TOSHIBA XM-4101TASUNSLCD342412/08/94 ok Now, if I am not mistaken, target is the SCSI ID of a given device, right (or, to quote http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html, "it is the target (logical unit number) of the SCSI device, i.e. the identification number of the device in a SCSI chain." )? If so, the ST32430W has no jumpers in its ID pins while ST31200W has only one jumper, but in the Sync spindle (I am basing all this in the contents of Seagate manuals h1lpwgde.pdf and 67480_e.pdf, found in http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/seagate/manual/). What am I missing here? From costellob@asme.org Mon Jul 1 04:23:19 2002 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:23:19 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] HD Fun in my SS20 References: <200207010230.VAA18468@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <3D1FD937.6080808@asme.org> The SS20 system uses SCA drives which use the 80 position single connector. The SCSI ID is defined by the SCSI backplane that the drive is plugged into. The lower slot is defined as SCSI ID 3 which is the boot drive and the upper slot is defined as SCSI ID 1. According to the Sun hardware manual (http://docs.sun.com/db?p=/doc/801-6189-12/6i0j677jf&a=view) this is not modifiable. Both drives you listed are wide SCSI drives with 68 pin connectors. This leads me to believe that they are both externally connected. You mentioned that they are in your SS20 but I don't see how that is possible unless there are some kind of adapters on the drives. Can you give more details about this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > [Suns-at-Home] HD Fun in my SS20 > From: > > Mauricio > Date: > > Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:10:43 -0400 > To: > > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > > I have to HDs in my SS20: > > ok probe-scsi > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST32430W SUN2.1G066600520918 > Copyright (c) 1995 Seagate > All rights reserved > Target 3 > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST31200W SUN1.05872400650796 > Copyright (c) 1994 Seagate > All rights reserved 0000 > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only device TOSHIBA > XM-4101TASUNSLCD342412/08/94 > > > ok > > Now, if I am not mistaken, target is the SCSI ID of a given device, > right (or, to quote http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html, "it is > the target (logical unit number) of the SCSI device, i.e. the > identification number of the device in a SCSI chain." )? If so, the > ST32430W has no jumpers in its ID pins while ST31200W has only one > jumper, but in the Sync spindle (I am basing all this in the contents > of Seagate manuals h1lpwgde.pdf and 67480_e.pdf, found in > http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/seagate/manual/). What am I missing here? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Suns-at-Home mailing list >Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > -- Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Mon Jul 1 18:44:36 2002 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: A few embarassing Solaris 2.6 questions Message-ID: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> "From: Mauricio [] "As you can see, /usr is a bit in the full side. Is there a way for "me to resize the 2HDs, moving /usr to the 2GB one (taking space off "/home) and /opt amd /tmp to the 1GB (SCSI ID 3) one without havign to "reinstall everything? Or, perhaps move /home to SCSI 3 and everybody "else to SCSI0? yes, you can move partitions around without reinstalling, if you have space you can temporarily borrow, such as tape backup or a large /var. 1. back /home up, to tape or a file in your borrowed space [ufsdump]. 2. unmount, repartition, newfs, and remount. 3. you can now [ufs]restore data to the new smaller /home 4. mount the new /usr somewhere - /mnt perhaps. 5. copy the current /usr to the new partition. ufsdump | ufsrestore is the fastest. 6. edit /etc/vfstab to mount the new partition as /usr and reboot. the old /usr is now idle and can be repartitioned as above for /opt and /tmp. you can even use this approach to move / - to a new drive, for instance. why a partition for /tmp instead of a tmpfs in swap? "o When I ran SunOS (in a 3/50 and a SS1+), I was always told that the "boot disk should be SCSI 3. Is that still true for a SS20 with "Solaris 2.6? it wasn't really necessary even in sunos4, but they set it up that way and so it was easiest, but as someone else replied, if your disks -are- internal to the 20 their ids are set by the chassis, 1 and 3. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From hhuntleyjr@attbi.com Mon Jul 1 21:42:53 2002 From: hhuntleyjr@attbi.com (Howard Huntley Jr.) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ST-43400n External Drive on a Sparc 20, No Spinup Message-ID: <3D20CCDD.1000406@attbi.com> Has any one installed a ST-43400n external drive on a Sparc 20? I can not get the drive to spin up or find it in format when attached to the SS20. The drive spins up OK when attached to a full hight 6 disk array on a HP Netserver. I noticed on the drive that a jumper is set "motor start option enabled". Do I need to remove this jumper or set any other jumpers on the drive?? -- Howard Huntley Jr. MCP, MCSE Micro-Computer Systems Specialist From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Tue Jul 2 02:36:43 2002 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: ST-43400n External Drive on a Sparc 20, No Spinup Message-ID: <200207020236.WAA24943@an.bradford.ma.us> "From: "Howard Huntley Jr." " "Has any one installed a ST-43400n external drive on a Sparc 20? I can "not get the drive to spin up or find it in format when attached to the "SS20. The drive spins up OK when attached to a full hight 6 disk array "on a HP Netserver. I noticed on the drive that a jumper is set "motor "start option enabled". Do I need to remove this jumper or set any other "jumpers on the drive?? do you have the drive spec sheet? you can look 43400 up on seagate's web site and get it. i'm not sure what the 'motor start option' is, but i have my seagates [15230s] jumpered to spin up on first access, to reduce the stress on the ps during cold boots. i would think that if my sparc2 supports this, later suns would also. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From tedp@replicant.apana.org.au Tue Jul 2 09:19:09 2002 From: tedp@replicant.apana.org.au (Ted Palmer) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:19:09 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ST-43400n External Drive on a Sparc 20, No Spinup References: <3D20CCDD.1000406@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3D21700D.7854@replicant.apana.org.au> Howard Huntley Jr. wrote: > Has any one installed a ST-43400n external drive on a Sparc 20? I can > not get the drive to spin up or find it in format when attached to the > SS20. The drive spins up OK when attached to a full hight 6 disk array > on a HP Netserver. I noticed on the drive that a jumper is set "motor > start option enabled". Do I need to remove this jumper or set any other > jumpers on the drive?? At the ok> prompt, do a 'probe-scsi-all' to see if the system can see it somewhere. If it does, then a 'boot -r' at the ok> prompt might help. If the 'probe-scsi-all' does not find it, I would look at SCSI bus termination issues first. How are you connecting the drive to the SS20? Is it in a Sun 411 box or something else? If you are connecting it to the internal CDROM connector then things might be a bit different. What SCSI target number is the drive set to? Mister_T Melbourne Australia -- /_/_/_/_/_)_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ | RC17 KLR600 KHGS130AMBC Solaris FreeBSD 4.4-R | ) Team RC17 Australia http://www.teamrc17.net | |_________________________________________________________________|/ From pingouin@bellsouth.net Thu Jul 4 00:20:13 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: raub@kudria >cc /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed raub@kudria > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient time, right? =)? From braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 4 13:19:03 2002 From: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk (j braham levy) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:19:03 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: ST-43400n External Drive on a Sparc 20, No Spinup References: <200207020236.WAA24943@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <3D244B47.B830B78A@clarke8.demon.co.uk> Many disks also have a spin delay which spins them up dependent on their SCSI ID number also to reduce boot stress I would also check termination. probe-all-scsi is a good place to start. braham Sandwich Maker wrote: > > "From: "Howard Huntley Jr." > " > "Has any one installed a ST-43400n external drive on a Sparc 20? I can > "not get the drive to spin up or find it in format when attached to the > "SS20. The drive spins up OK when attached to a full hight 6 disk array > "on a HP Netserver. I noticed on the drive that a jumper is set "motor > "start option enabled". Do I need to remove this jumper or set any other > "jumpers on the drive?? > > do you have the drive spec sheet? you can look 43400 up on seagate's > web site and get it. > > i'm not sure what the 'motor start option' is, but i have my seagates > [15230s] jumpered to spin up on first access, to reduce the stress on > the ps during cold boots. i would think that if my sparc2 supports > this, later suns would also. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Hay the genius nature > internet rambler is to see what all have seen > adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home -- j braham levy email: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Tel: +44-1782-620580 (home) +44-7931-306103 (mobile) From jeffw@smoe.org Thu Jul 4 15:06:34 2002 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <20020704150634.GG14329@jane.smoe.org> On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:20:13PM -0400, Mauricio wrote: > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? Solarix 2.x has never come with a compiler. You need to go to sunfreeware.com and get gcc. -j From cjm@satanii.enemy.org Thu Jul 4 15:47:57 2002 From: cjm@satanii.enemy.org (Chris J. Mutter) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: pingouin's message of Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:20:13 -0400. Message-ID: <200207041547.g64FlvtF048041@satanii.enemy.org> Hi, > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? solaris never came with a c-compiler builtin. it just comes with header files, libs and as far as i know a minimal c-compiler with a linker for relinking the kernel if nessesary. you can either: 1.) buy the commercial c compiler from sun or 2.) install a gcc-2.95.3 which would be free. you can find gcc i.e. on http://www.sunfreeware.com/programlist.html#gcc2953 hth, cjm From tedp@replicant.apana.org.au Thu Jul 4 15:48:54 2002 From: tedp@replicant.apana.org.au (Ted Palmer) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 01:48:54 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <3D246E66.5DE2@replicant.apana.org.au> Mauricio wrote: > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? Generally, Sun does not give away C compilers with Solaris. You can pay lots of money for the genuine Sun compiler, or you might be able to find the GNU free compiler at a place like sunfreeware.com . Mister_T Melbourne Australia From sobek@irit.fr Thu Jul 4 17:40:51 2002 From: sobek@irit.fr (Ralph SOBEK) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:40:51 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Netscape Navigator font problems In-Reply-To: <200207010233.VAA18512@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <200207010233.VAA18512@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <15652.34979.190535.172357@irit.irit.fr> Hi Folks! Happy 4th of July! With the reference that Mozilla 1.0 is final, I just wanted to mention (and on home machines -- so much more valuable) that Opera 5.0-b1 runs under Solaris. I have switched to it for _most_ web stuff, since it uses a relatively constant amount of memory, whereas netscape would slowly eat up swap! Opera does print out differently; and actually for some web pages I prefer Opera's use of one's selected font size for print purposes. By the way, it can be downloaded from www.opera.com. I am in no way associated with this browser, just enjoy it. For all that matters Internet Explorer also now runs under Solaris! Cheers, --Ralph Dr. Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. Ralph.Sobek @ irit.fr http://www.sobek.org/ sobek @ irit.fr Wi-Fi: http://www.irit.fr/~Ralph.Sobek/wifi Ph:(+33)[0]561556356 FAX:(+33)[0]561556847 http://www.irit.fr/~Ralph.Sobek/ =============================================================================== From huge@huge.org.uk Thu Jul 4 18:25:23 2002 From: huge@huge.org.uk (Huge) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:25:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: Message-ID: <20020704182523.A62DDFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> > From: Mauricio [13 lines snipped] > > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? cc is an extra cost option these days. From Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk Thu Jul 4 20:55:52 2002 From: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk (Bob Hoekstra) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 21:55:52 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <3D24B658.5010504@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> No, there is no ciompiler with Solaris 2. My recommendation: get gcc from http://www.sunfreeware.com Mauricio wrote: > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, out > of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen sink (I > can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient time, > right? =)? > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GO/! d- s++:+ a+ C++(++++) US++++$ UB++ U*++ P+++ L+++ E--- W+++ N++ w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t+ 5++ X R* tv+ b+ DI++ D G e(*) h++/-- r+++ y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ----------------------------------------------------- Bob Hoekstra: APL & Unix Consultant Tele: +44 (0)1483 771028 http://www.HoekstraSystems.com Home email: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk ----------------------------------------------------- From shannon@widomaker.com Fri Jul 5 04:06:28 2002 From: shannon@widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:06:28 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <20020705040626.GE20636@widomaker.com> On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:20:13PM -0400, Mauricio wrote: > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? You don't get a C compiler with your OS in SunOS/Solaris any more. Not sure at which version they stopped, but I'm fairly certain that is your problem. Either get a Sun compiler or bootstrap GNU compilers onto your system. -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com From pgt@myrealbox.com Fri Jul 5 06:12:13 2002 From: pgt@myrealbox.com (Phillip Tong) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:12:13 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> Mauricio wrote: > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, out > of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen sink (I > can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient time, > right? =)? Solaris 2.x/SunOS 5.x never came with a C compiler (IIRC SunOS 4.x came with the C compiler - but it wasn't ANSI compilant?). /usr/ucb/cc will only work properly as is if the Sun Workshop compiler (SUNWspro) is installed properly (This might now be called the Forte C Compiler - I forget what the exact name is). Most people will suggest you install gcc (suggestion is to get the appropriate package from sunfreeware.com) and use that instead. I have to agree on that one since I've not the money or need to use the SUNWspro package. Phil. -- Phillip Tong You were expecting some sort of quote here? Ha! From Gert.Cuypers@esat.kuleuven.ac.be Fri Jul 5 12:02:41 2002 From: Gert.Cuypers@esat.kuleuven.ac.be (Gert Cuypers) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:02:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 In-Reply-To: <200207051156.GAA13962@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: Hello, can anybody help me pick the most appropriate OS for a dual ultra 2 and an ultra 5? I recently acquired these machines, and do not know what would be best. I tried linux, but like Solaris more. But sol 9 might be too heavy. Home use, limited number of users, limited network access required... any experienced users? Kindest regards, Gert From braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 5 12:47:27 2002 From: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk (j braham levy) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> Message-ID: <3D25955F.FD7B4FF7@clarke8.demon.co.uk> Mauricio, Sun have not included a C compiler for a long time now. Grab the gcc binaries from www.sunfreeware.com. You may need some other things like make etc but you'll find them all (t)here. I believe gcc 3.X is still a little fussy, stuck with 2.95... unless you hear otherwise Mauricio wrote: > > raub@kudria >cc > /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed > raub@kudria > > > Is it me or it is saying that cc was *not* installed even though I, > out of frustration, told it to install everything plus the kitchen > sink (I can always use admintool to throw people away at a convenient > time, right? =)? > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home braham -- j braham levy email: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Tel: +44-1782-620580 (home) +44-7931-306103 (mobile) From pinky@braincenter.de Fri Jul 5 18:10:39 2002 From: pinky@braincenter.de (Dirk Stapels) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:10:39 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 References: Message-ID: <3D25E11F.20CB87E6@braincenter.de> Hi Gert, I just installed Solaris 9 on my ultra 1 creator 3D / 256 MB Ram and it actually seems to be a little bit faster than Solaris 8 !!!! So if it runs on my ultra 1 it should be fine for your U2 but beware. The Licence only allows to run Sol9 on single CPU systems. And I guess it should be ok on the U5 as well regards Dirk Gert Cuypers schrieb: > Hello, > > can anybody help me pick the most appropriate OS for a dual ultra 2 and an > ultra 5? I recently acquired these machines, and do not know what would be > best. I tried linux, but like Solaris more. But sol 9 might be too > heavy. Home use, limited number of users, limited network access > required... any experienced users? > > Kindest regards, > Gert > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From sean@seanoneill.info Fri Jul 5 18:13:02 2002 From: sean@seanoneill.info (Sean O'Neill) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 References: <200207051156.GAA13962@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020705131055.00af02c0@postoffice.swbell.net> At 02:02 PM 7/5/2002 +0200, Gert Cuypers wrote: >best. I tried linux, but like Solaris more. But sol 9 might be too >heavy. Home use, limited number of users, limited network access >required... any experienced users? Nothing wrong with Solaris 9 - you just need to either install only what you need or install SUNWCall or SUNWCprog (at a minimum - install this) and delete what you don't need. Other options to consider is FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org) or OpenBSD (http://www.openbsd.org). Both are very good OSs. I use both of these here at home including Solaris 9. -- ........................................................ ......... ..- -. .. -..- .-. ..- .-.. . ... ............ .-- .. -. -... .-.. --- .-- ... -.. .-. --- --- .-.. ... Sean O'Neill From huge@huge.org.uk Fri Jul 5 18:23:34 2002 From: huge@huge.org.uk (Huge) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:23:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: Message-ID: <20020705182334.3F507FB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> > From: "Chris J. Mutter" [24 lines snipped] > solaris never came with a c-compiler builtin. it just comes with > header files, libs and as far as i know a minimal c-compiler with > a linker for relinking the kernel if nessesary. Nope. You should never need to relink a modular kernel. H. From aad@verio.net Fri Jul 5 18:38:07 2002 From: aad@verio.net (Anthony A. D. Talltree) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Netscape Navigator font problems In-Reply-To: <15652.34979.190535.172357@irit.irit.fr> References: <200207010233.VAA18512@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <15652.34979.190535.172357@irit.irit.fr> Message-ID: >that Opera 5.0-b1 runs under Solaris. I've found opera to be quite flaky, especially with large embedded images, and the ubiquitous Linux crap is really annoying. >For all that matters Internet Explorer also now runs under Solaris! Last I saw, Microcult had removed their old beta binary from their site. From rjhawkin@nand.net Fri Jul 5 21:24:14 2002 From: rjhawkin@nand.net (Rowan Hawkins) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suggestions for an OS In-Reply-To: <20020604172257.51971.qmail@negativl.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Ray Wong wrote: :That said, the older the Sparc the more likely I am to run (open|net)BSD. :I sometimes play with RH on 4m, but if I'm using a 4c it's probably just :sitting there running named, dhcp, or something forgettable. BSD is rock :stable for that. Debian's great and I'd try to run it on anything, but :generally the Sparcs I'd run it on are going to be 4m. (Right now a SS10 :and a SS5) Assuming my recently-problematic ultra1 is recoverable, it's :my Solaris box. I'm already comfortable with all the different OSs and :versions, however. My only gripe about open|net|free is their lack of MP support. I am looking for a copy of SunOS 4.1.3_u1, as well, for that reason. I could use Solaris 2.5.1 which I already have but, I much prefer the sysV. Locating a copy hasn't been an overriding concern as the machine isn't POST'ing properly. I just haven't had the time to straighten out why. It will be my next project. I suspect the NVRAM is bad. it was in storage for over a year, and that was before I knew about stopping the clock. The POST code it comes up with isn't in the FE handbook or on Sundoc. I dont remember which it is exactly either 001000100010 or 010001000100. However, neither are listed in the FE handbook. In case anyone is wondering the system is: SparcServer 630mp with SM100 (dual 40mhz) 256M of RAM [(16) 16x9] with one memory bank open 1.2G internal drive. From pingouin@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 5 22:46:47 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: <3D25955F.FD7B4FF7@clarke8.demon.co.uk> References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> <3D25955F.FD7B4FF7@clarke8.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 13:47 +0100 7/5/02, j braham levy wrote: >Mauricio, > >Sun have not included a C compiler for a long time now. Grab the gcc >binaries >from www.sunfreeware.com. You may need some other things like make etc >but you'll find >them all (t)here. I believe gcc 3.X is still a little fussy, stuck with >2.95... unless you hear otherwise Oh. Am here I am compiling 3.0.4, which I thought was the last stable version. Ooops. =) From pingouin@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 5 23:36:03 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:36:03 -0400 Subject: Thanks for all the help! (Was: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question:) In-Reply-To: <20020704182523.A62DDFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> References: <20020704182523.A62DDFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Wow! I am impressed with how many replies I got. From what you all told me, the Sun cc does not come with Solaris any longer. And, it cost an arm and three legs. So, as you all said, I am better off going to gcc, which cool with me. Now, the package off http://www.sunfreeware.com refuses to compile in my machine; it keeps saying I ran out of space in the device even though that I have lots of space in /tmp, /var/and /usr (remember that for now I decided to leave /usr/local with /usr). However, from what "Anthony A. D. Talltree" and David Wolfskill suggested, I was ble to get to http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/sparc/, which had a copy of gcc 2.95.2 that installed without a hitch. I was much happier than. Thanks for all the help! Now, once I had a gcc in the machine, I was like, "hmmmm, how about getting the latest stable version of it and compiling in the machine?" So, I went to http://www.gnu.org and from there until downloading the source code for gcc 3.0.4. But, as I am compiling the compiler, someone tells me that the 3.X versions are kinda iffy and I should stick to 2.95.2. Can anyone comfirm or deny that? From pingouin@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 5 23:53:39 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sh script & egd question In-Reply-To: <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: I want to run egd (the entropy gathering daemon, info found at ) during the boot process automagically. So, I went on creating a quick little sh script to do my bidding: #!/bin/sh # Useful variables in one single friendly location egdpath='/usr/local/bin/egd.pl' entropypath='/etc/entropy' state=$1 set `who -r` case $state in 'start') # Let's check if the daemon is where we think it is. if [ ! -f $egdpath ] then # egdpath not found # Lame error message echo "Error: cannot find $egdpath. Will not install this daemon " exit else echo " egd" `$egdpath $entropypath` fi ;; 'stop') ;; esac echo "DOne!" The last echo I left there just to see if I get out of the if statement; more on that later. So, I went on trying to test it: # ./egd start egd 23 sources found forking into background... server starting ^C # I let the above run for some 30 minutes before I did ^C. Why didn't it get out of the if statement and then out of the case statement? Or, where did I screw it up? AFAIK, once egd is on, it will be in the background, so I should have returned to the script and got out of it. From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Jul 6 08:41:08 2002 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207060841.EAA01884@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > can anybody help me pick the most appropriate OS for a dual ultra 2 > and an ultra 5? Not without some idea what you want to do with them. "Home use" can mean practically anything, depending on who's using it and what some of the relevant values are. (For example, I will not even consider anything which means I don't get full source code; someone who does not share that stance will have more options available.) Personally, I like NetBSD. (Admittedly, I think it's gone severely downhill in the last year or two, but I think it's still the best available option-- at least for my set of tradeoffs.) The webpages indicate that U2/U5 support is there.... /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Jul 6 08:42:04 2002 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: In-Reply-To: <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200207060842.EAA01898@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > (IIRC SunOS 4.x came with the C compiler - but it wasn't ANSI > compilant?). Right; it was a K&R compiler. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From pingouin@bellsouth.net Sun Jul 7 14:34:50 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sh script & egd question In-Reply-To: <1aff01c225c1$0c380930$b2472fd8@abraxis.com> References: <200207011844.OAA18699@an.bradford.ma.us> <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> <1aff01c225c1$0c380930$b2472fd8@abraxis.com> Message-ID: >Try... `$egdpath $entropypath &` > > >Don Woodward > Thanks for the suggestion. I have to say I thought on doing that too, but could not understand why I had to do so. After all, when run by itself, egd.pl will automagically into background. Why when called from a script it will not? Mauricio Confused as hell From Don Woodward" <3D2538BD.6070204@myrealbox.com> <1aff01c225c1$0c380930$b2472fd8@abraxis.com> Message-ID: <1b3a01c225d2$fac52860$b2472fd8@abraxis.com> Try same without tick marks - it worked for me. Don Woodward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mauricio" To: "Don Woodward" Cc: "Suns-At-Home list" Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:34 Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] sh script & egd question >Try... `$egdpath $entropypath &` > > >Don Woodward > Thanks for the suggestion. I have to say I thought on doing that too, but could not understand why I had to do so. After all, when run by itself, egd.pl will automagically into background. Why when called from a script it will not? Mauricio Confused as hell From shannon@widomaker.com Sun Jul 7 21:52:03 2002 From: shannon@widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 In-Reply-To: <3D25E11F.20CB87E6@braincenter.de> References: <3D25E11F.20CB87E6@braincenter.de> Message-ID: <20020707215202.GG1052@widomaker.com> On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 08:10:39PM +0200, Dirk Stapels wrote: > Hi Gert, > > I just installed Solaris 9 on my ultra 1 creator 3D / 256 MB Ram and > it actually seems to be a little bit faster than Solaris 8 !!!! So if it runs > > on my ultra 1 it should be fine for your U2 but beware. The Licence only > allows to run Sol9 on single CPU systems. And I guess it should be ok > on the U5 as well I'm curious... have you run any OpenGL programs on your system? I was wondering how fast they ran. I have not had a Sun with graphics since before the Creator series, so I've never seen one in person. -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com From matt@severian.chi.il.us Mon Jul 8 02:17:22 2002 From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:17:22 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sh script & egd question In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:25:59 EDT. <1b3a01c225d2$fac52860$b2472fd8@abraxis.com> Message-ID: <200207080217.g682HMQj055667@fireball.batavia.il.us> >> else >> echo " egd" >> `$egdpath $entropypath` >> fi >> >> Why didn't it get out >> of the if statement and then out of the case statement? > > Try same without tick marks - it worked for me. > Don Woodward > > Thanks for the suggestion. I have to say I thought on doing > that too, but could not understand why I had to do so. After all, > when run by itself, egd.pl will automagically into background. Why > when called from a script it will not? It's the backtics. They tell the shell to gather up the output of the command inside and substitute it into the current line. Not what you meant to do at all. But when egd forks, the child still has the same file descriptor #1 open, which is its "write" end of a pipe and the shell is holding the read side, so the shell keeps on waiting for more output. Ditch the backtics. The hypothetica output wasn't going to spell a shell command anyway. Matt "A5.1.5.2.7.1. Remove all classified and CCI boards from the COMSEC equipment, thoroughly smash them with a hammer or an ax, and scatter the pieces." From Gert Cuypers Mon Jul 8 09:30:38 2002 From: Gert Cuypers (Gert Cuypers) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:30:38 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: <200207080930.LAA01217@barbar.esat.kuleuven.ac.be> >> can anybody help me pick the most appropriate OS for a dual ultra 2 >> and an ultra 5? > >Not without some idea what you want to do with them. "Home use" can >mean practically anything, depending on who's using it and what some of >the relevant values are. (For example, I will not even consider >anything which means I don't get full source code; someone who does not >share that stance will have more options available.) >Personally, I like NetBSD. (Admittedly, I think it's gone severely Home 'use' will probably just mean: endless reconfiguring ;-) Probably word processing (latex) and calculations (octave) will be a major contribution. Maybe some graphics editing. You've got a point concerning the souces code, but I guess that most free (gnu) software comes with the code, so I don't expect this to be a problem. Bye, Gert From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Jul 8 13:09:38 2002 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:09:38 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: is there a realistic lower hardware limit for Solaris 9? I see from the 9 hardware guide that it will run on some lunchboxes but I can imagine that being a little masochistic. I have a 96Mb RAM, dual proc SS10 running 8 at home, will 9 be too painful? regards ben From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Mon Jul 8 13:39:15 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:39:15 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Another embarassing Solaris 2.6 question: Message-ID: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA7FD@ICTI_MAIL> The previous version of the Sun Forte compiler suite (C, C++ and Fortran, along with various developer tools) can be obtained from Sun for Aprox. $100 (+ tax & S/H) if you are a student. Otherwise the current version is a $700 item. I am only sharing a data-point, I have no significant exp. with either. Ken === Ken Hansen > -----Original Message----- > Solaris 2.x/SunOS 5.x never came with a C compiler (IIRC > SunOS 4.x came > with the C compiler - but it wasn't ANSI compilant?). > /usr/ucb/cc will > only work properly as is if the Sun Workshop compiler (SUNWspro) is > installed properly (This might now be called the Forte C Compiler - I > forget what the exact name is). From sean@seanoneill.info Mon Jul 8 14:32:53 2002 From: sean@seanoneill.info (Sean O'Neill) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:32:53 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708093029.00abb380@postoffice.swbell.net> At 03:09 PM 7/8/2002 +0200, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >I have a 96Mb RAM, dual proc SS10 running 8 at home, will 9 be too painful? As long as you don't start up everything it will run fine. Also definately don't startup CDE - it chews up too much memory. If you must have a GUI console then using something like fluxbox or something similar in regards to a small memory footprint. But before you try Solaris 9 on your SS10 you better read this first: http://docs.sun.com/?l=en&p=/doc/816-1663-11/6m82l12rv&a=view -- ........................................................ ......... ..- -. .. -..- .-. ..- .-.. . ... ............ .-- .. -. -... .-.. --- .-- ... -.. .-. --- --- .-.. ... Sean O'Neill From sean@seanoneill.info Mon Jul 8 14:36:07 2002 From: sean@seanoneill.info (Sean O'Neill) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:36:07 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708093327.00ab9f80@postoffice.swbell.net> At 03:09 PM 7/8/2002 +0200, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >is there a realistic lower hardware limit for Solaris 9? I see from the 9 >hardware guide that it will run on some lunchboxes but I can imagine that >being a little masochistic. > >I have a 96Mb RAM, dual proc SS10 running 8 at home, will 9 be too painful? I forgot to say you might be better off using Solaris 8 on your SS10. I have a SS20 here at home myself but it has a Quad QE interface board in my system and I'm using two of the ports so I can't use Solaris 9 on this machine. -- ........................................................ ......... ..- -. .. -..- .-. ..- .-.. . ... ............ .-- .. -. -... .-.. --- .-- ... -.. .-. --- --- .-.. ... Sean O'Neill From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Mon Jul 8 16:09:21 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:09:21 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA804@ICTI_MAIL> I suspect your RAM might leave wanting more, but it shouldn't be profoundly different from Solaris 9 (speculation on my part, I am just about to build up my first Solaris 9 box this weekend - U2, 1x 300 MHz CPU, and probably 512 Meg RAM w/ Creator graphics)... I will probably try it on an SS/20, but that box will have 2x SM71s & 256 Meg RAM. 96 Meg seems a bit small to me... >From the Solaris web page (http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/index.html): System Requirements - SPARC® 32- and 64-bit platforms - Disk space: 600 MB for desktops; one GB for servers -Memory: 64 MB minimum (128 MB recommended) Their Solaris 9 Evaluation Guide lists a 400 MHz CPU as a reasonable level of performance (i.e. SunBlade 100), with 128 Meg as well... HTH, Ken === Ken Hansen > -----Original Message----- > From: Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) [mailto:blewis3@lucent.com] > I have a 96Mb RAM, dual proc SS10 running 8 at home, will 9 > be too painful? From David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk Mon Jul 8 17:28:45 2002 From: David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk (David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:28:45 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SBus ethernet adapter Message-ID: Does anyone in the UK have an SBus ethernet adapter they'd be prepared to sell (or even give, if they're feeling generous) to me? Dave. From petercleary@sympatico.ca Mon Jul 8 19:08:13 2002 From: petercleary@sympatico.ca (Peter Cleary) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:08:13 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708093029.00abb380@postoffice.swbell.net> Message-ID: I knew I saw an end of line notice on 4m's somewhere! I guess I misconstrued it to mean 9 wouldn't work on 4m's. Thanks for the link Sean. -Pete -----Original Message----- But before you try Solaris 9 on your SS10 you better read this first: http://docs.sun.com/?l=en&p=/doc/816-1663-11/6m82l12rv&a=view Sean O'Neill From jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil Mon Jul 8 19:47:52 2002 From: jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_ACC/DRMI?=) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem Message-ID: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A2420F4FFB@fsmuhj26> As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I have a couple of sites that absolutely demand it. I tried to install the UNIX version of IE 5 last weekend. I copied the binary to my hard drive and ran the install script. All was fine. When I launch it, I get a couple of errors telling me that I need a couple of patches. I don't have the patch numbers handy (109147-12 I think). The only patch available on the Sun site had the same number (with a different version -16). I installed the patch, but IW wants the -12 version. Anyone running IE out there that could shed some light on this? Anyone want to admit running IE on Solaris anyway? Jake Brödersen Ultra 30 running Solaris 8 w/recommended patches installed From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Mon Jul 8 20:04:40 2002 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suggestions for an OS Message-ID: <200207082004.QAA21316@an.bradford.ma.us> "From: Rowan Hawkins " " My only gripe about open|net|free is their lack of MP support. I "am looking for a copy of SunOS 4.1.3_u1, as well, for that reason. I could "use Solaris 2.5.1 which I already have but, I much prefer the sysV. note: sunos 4.1.4 is much better for mp than 4.1.3_u1. note: 2.5.1 -is- sVr4; 4.1 is bsd + a few sysV-isms. " I suspect the NVRAM is bad. it was in storage for over a year, and "that was before I knew about stopping the clock. The POST code it comes up "with isn't in the FE handbook or on Sundoc. I dont remember which it is plausible... "In case anyone is wondering the system is: " SparcServer 630mp with SM100 (dual 40mhz) i've always idly wondered if these would woork with weitek powerups... of course, sm51s or sm61s would be cheaper these days and lots faster. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From huge@huge.org.uk Mon Jul 8 21:15:09 2002 From: huge@huge.org.uk (Huge) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:15:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem Message-ID: <20020708211509.5B9BAFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_ACC/DRMI?= [22 lines snipped] > As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I have a > couple of sites that absolutely demand it. Really? Are you *sure*?????? From aad@verio.net Mon Jul 8 21:26:37 2002 From: aad@verio.net (Anthony A. D. Talltree) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem In-Reply-To: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A2420F4FFB@fsmuhj26> References: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A2420F4FFB@fsmuhj26> Message-ID: >Anyone running IE out there that could shed some light on this? Anyone >want to admit running IE on Solaris anyway? I would have run it if it hadn't sucked so hard. I found that eg. it appeared to require that one use dtwm. The 1.0 release of mozilla has been working well for me. From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Mon Jul 8 21:10:02 2002 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: best operating system for U2 and U5 Message-ID: <200207082110.RAA22256@an.bradford.ma.us> "From: "Sean O'Neill" " "As long as you don't start up everything it will run fine. Also definately "don't startup CDE - it chews up too much memory. If you must have a GUI "console then using something like fluxbox or something similar in regards "to a small memory footprint. too bad it doesn't come with openwin any more... "But before you try Solaris 9 on your SS10 you better read this first: " "http://docs.sun.com/?l=en&p=/doc/816-1663-11/6m82l12rv&a=view speaking of s9, i've been trying to sign up for the free dvd at http://see.sun.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp with the serial number i got, and for the past several weeks all i get is "The page you are trying to reach is currently unavailable. Please retry later." has anyone else successfully gotten it, or know what the story is? ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Mon Jul 8 22:46:16 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:46:16 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem Message-ID: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA80C@ICTI_MAIL> I run it, but only occasionally... I simply put the latest patch cluster on and was fine, IIRC... Hope this helps, Ken === Ken Hansen > -----Original Message----- > install the UNIX > version of IE 5 last weekend. I copied the binary to my hard > drive and ran > the install script. All was fine. When I launch it, I get a > couple of > errors telling me that I need a couple of patches. I don't From David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 10:44:22 2002 From: David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk (David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem In-Reply-To: <20020708211509.5B9BAFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> References: <20020708211509.5B9BAFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: huge@huge.org.uk wrote (on Mon, 8 July): > jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil write: >> As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I >> have a couple of sites that absolutely demand it. > > Really? Are you *sure*?????? Various websites look at the User Agent HTTP header and refuse to serve the page unless you have the browser they want. Obviously, this is deeply wrong and broken but that's life. So, you need either a proxy which will rewrite the header (such as junkbuster[1], which will also filter out banner ads, cookies and things like that if you want it to), a browser which will lie about what it is (I think Opera[2] can be configured to claim that it's anything) or the browser they want you to use. Junkbuster's probably the way to go, assuming that Netscape will render the page. I've never used junkbuster myself so I'm afraid I can't help with setup. Dave. [1] http://internet.junkbuster.com/ijb.html [2] http://www.opera.com/ From ggnagy@UU.NET Tue Jul 9 11:57:08 2002 From: ggnagy@UU.NET (Gregory G Nagy) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] best operating system for U2 and U5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Peter Cleary wrote: > > I knew I saw an end of line notice on 4m's somewhere! I guess I misconstrued > it to mean 9 wouldn't work on 4m's. Thanks for the link Sean. > Word from inside Sun is that 10 will be a 64bit only OS. > -Pete > > -----Original Message----- > But before you try Solaris 9 on your SS10 you better read this first: > http://docs.sun.com/?l=en&p=/doc/816-1663-11/6m82l12rv&a=view > Sean O'Neill > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil Tue Jul 9 12:04:15 2002 From: jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_ACC/DRMI?=) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:04:15 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem Message-ID: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A2420F5000@fsmuhj26> I reinstalled the "recommended" patch cluster this morning. None of them installed, because I already had done it once when I installed the OS. Wasted a lot of cpu cycles, but nothing new happened. Oh well, it was a shot anyway. Every time I go to http://www.sony.com/productregistration it blows my Netscape 4.7 and Netscape 6 browsers up. Even when I run them on the windoze box. Jake From matt@severian.chi.il.us Tue Jul 9 12:29:35 2002 From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:29:35 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:26:37 PDT. Message-ID: <200207091229.g69CTZr5000553@fireball.batavia.il.us> > >Anyone running IE out there that could shed some light on this? Anyone > >want to admit running IE on Solaris anyway? > > The 1.0 release of mozilla has been working well for me. I finally put Opera on my Solaris 8 box at work. Works great. From matt@severian.chi.il.us Tue Jul 9 12:28:31 2002 From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:15:09 BST. <20020708211509.5B9BAFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200207091228.g69CSVr5000540@fireball.batavia.il.us> > > As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I have a > > couple of sites that absolutely demand it. Boycott, and send 'em mail. Just yesterday I sent mail to a business whose web site said it required IE+Flash and told them I'd just move along to some competitor. They wrote back the same day and said they had already dropped that web designer and had a new site under a new domain name. From brent.thompson@protegra.com Tue Jul 9 14:24:41 2002 From: brent.thompson@protegra.com (Brent Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:24:41 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] removing openwin + assorted questions Message-ID: I have three sparc 5's running on my network at home, headless (and keyboardless), 170 mhz with 128 megs of RAM. I would like to get rid of all the X and Openwin stuff on them to make more room on the disks. What is the best way to remove openwin. Will a break some other programs? Is it worth it? I am also using solaris 7, will these machines run solaris 9 ok or will it be too much of a memory hog. Thanks From sobek@irit.fr Tue Jul 9 14:31:41 2002 From: sobek@irit.fr (Ralph SOBEK) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:31:41 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Netscape Navigator font problems In-Reply-To: <200207082057.PAA03673@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <200207082057.PAA03673@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <15658.62413.503852.440061@irit.irit.fr> It is true that Opera dies a little bit more often than Netscape under Solaris. The following may help. Provide opera with the OPERA_DIR environment variable, set to something like this in a common environment: /usr/local/Opera/share/opera It did help my usage of opera. At least, if opera dies, the following incarnation comes up identical to where you left off, and in 1/10 of the time that netscape takes. Sincerely, --Ralph Dr. Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. Ralph.Sobek @ irit.fr http://www.sobek.org/ sobek @ irit.fr Wi-Fi: http://www.irit.fr/~Ralph.Sobek/wifi Ph:(+33)[0]561556356 FAX:(+33)[0]561556847 http://www.irit.fr/~Ralph.Sobek/ =============================================================================== SPAMMERS Beware: http://www.irit.fr/~Ralph.Sobek/welcome.shtml#Mail-Warning From Don Woodward" Message-ID: <07db01c2275d$4fefe9c0$0300000a@abraxis.com> That URL came up fine on my "windoze" box under Netscape 6. Don Woodward ----- Original Message ----- "Brödersen Jacob K Civ ACC/DRMI" wrote... Every time I go to http://www.sony.com/productregistration it blows my Netscape 4.7 and Netscape 6 browsers up. Even when I run them on the windoze box. From pyrmont-akb@t-online.de Tue Jul 9 15:10:36 2002 From: pyrmont-akb@t-online.de (Rainer Kraft) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:10:36 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS20 with damed password for PROM and OS Message-ID: <3D2AFCEC.50707@pyrmont-akb.de> I bought a SS20 from the uni potzdam but it is sealed with a password for the PROM and so I can´t boot on cdrom or anything else. Has somebody an idea what to do? Rainer From codeyeti@yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 16:40:01 2002 From: codeyeti@yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem References: <20020708211509.5B9BAFB12@axalotl.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D2B11E0.D0A6666B@yahoo.com> Some browsers let you change what they report themselves as. I think the most notable one is Konqueror, which is part of KDE. That way you can "fake-out" whatever website you're using. Also, have you tried Mozilla? It seems to deal fairly well with IE-only sites. --Mike David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: > Various websites look at the User Agent HTTP header and refuse to > serve the page unless you have the browser they want. Obviously, this > is deeply wrong and broken but that's life. > > So, you need either a proxy which will rewrite the header (such as > junkbuster[1], which will also filter out banner ads, cookies and > things like that if you want it to), a browser which will lie about > what it is (I think Opera[2] can be configured to claim that it's > anything) or the browser they want you to use. Junkbuster's probably > the way to go, assuming that Netscape will render the page. I've > never used junkbuster myself so I'm afraid I can't help with setup. > > Dave. -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From wsalmon@interaccess.com Tue Jul 9 18:08:52 2002 From: wsalmon@interaccess.com (wsalmon) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 02 13:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS20 with damed password for PROM and OS Message-ID: <200207091817.NAA09139@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Try sunhelp.org. I have had good luck with the hot-swap PROM method myself. Wes >===== Original Message From pyrmont-akb@t-online.de (Rainer Kraft) ===== >I bought a SS20 from the uni potzdam but it is sealed with a password >for the PROM and so I can´t boot on cdrom or anything else. Has somebody >an idea what to do? >Rainer > >_______________________________________________ >Suns-at-Home mailing list >Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home >. From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Wed Jul 10 12:29:04 2002 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS20 with damed password for PROM and OS In-Reply-To: <3D2AFCEC.50707@pyrmont-akb.de> References: <3D2AFCEC.50707@pyrmont-akb.de> Message-ID: <200207101229.IAA24550@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > I bought a SS20 from the uni potzdam but it is sealed with a password > for the PROM and so I can´t boot on cdrom or anything else. _Anything_ else? What does it try to auto-boot from? So far, when I've received machines like that, they've been trying to boot frokm either SCSI disk or network. Either way, I just give them the boot setup they want (diskless boot or a pre-prepared SCSI drive), boot an OS that I have root on, and "eeprom security-mode=none". It might also work to pull the NVRAM and put it in a machine that uses the same NVRAM chip but that isn't a 20. I haven't tried this, but I suspect the machine ID mismatch will make it distrust the NVRAM, giving you a chance to reinit it. Beyond those, well, someone pointed out the sunhelp.org pages. At the very worst you get a new NVRAM. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 12 13:10:29 2002 From: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk (j braham levy) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:10:29 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Netscape Navigator font problems References: <200207010233.VAA18512@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <15652.34979.190535.172357@irit.irit.fr> Message-ID: <3D2ED545.6E008E9B@clarke8.demon.co.uk> Sorry but I missed the beginning of this thread. I now run Netscape 6.2.whatever on my Solaris 8 and it works really well. Font problems I've seen in the past with 4.7X have pretty well disappeared and the whole thing seems far more robust and reliable. Having said that I tried it on an SS5 (110Mhz) and it crawled, on the Ultra 1E (167) it runs very well. I had looked a NS6.0/1 before and they were PATHERTIC. 6.2 is a major step forward just my 0.02 dollars worth "Anthony A. D. Talltree" wrote: > > >that Opera 5.0-b1 runs under Solaris. > > I've found opera to be quite flaky, especially with large embedded > images, and the ubiquitous Linux crap is really annoying. > > >For all that matters Internet Explorer also now runs under Solaris! > > Last I saw, Microcult had removed their old beta binary from their site. > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home braham -- j braham levy email: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Tel: +44-1782-620580 (home) +44-7931-306103 (mobile) From braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 12 13:14:04 2002 From: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk (j braham levy) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:14:04 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IE for UNIX install problem References: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A2420F5000@fsmuhj26> Message-ID: <3D2ED61C.DA444961@clarke8.demon.co.uk> Just tried this page with NS6.2 works perfectly for me - Solaris 8 Ultra 1 various required patches Brödersen Jacob K Civ ACC/DRMI wrote: > > I reinstalled the "recommended" patch cluster this morning. None of them > installed, because I already had done it once when I installed the OS. > Wasted a lot of cpu cycles, but nothing new happened. Oh well, it was a > shot anyway. Every time I go to http://www.sony.com/productregistration it > blows my Netscape 4.7 and Netscape 6 browsers up. Even when I run them on > the windoze box. > > Jake > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home braham -- j braham levy email: braham@clarke8.demon.co.uk Tel: +44-1782-620580 (home) +44-7931-306103 (mobile) From pyrmont-akb@t-online.de Fri Jul 12 15:00:18 2002 From: pyrmont-akb@t-online.de (Rainer Kraft) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:00:18 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 8 and SS20 into the internet with DSL ? Message-ID: <3D2EEF02.60401@pyrmont-akb.de> Hello, I just got a SS10 and a SS20 and Solaris 8 on both. What I not got is a conection to the PC in the network and no connection to the internet. I installed the developer and the companion. SS10, SS20 and PC connected with a hub the hub has an uplink to internet over DSL. What to to now? Somebody able to help me on the net? I tried some hints from sonnenblen.de and sunroot.de etc. but up to now I ´m here with the PC only and my "babies " make me cry! Rainer From pyrmont-akb@t-online.de Fri Jul 12 15:08:15 2002 From: pyrmont-akb@t-online.de (Rainer Kraft) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:08:15 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS20 cdrom initializes but =?ISO-8859-1?Q?don=B4t_move=3F!?= Message-ID: <3D2EF0DF.2000806@pyrmont-akb.de> My SS20 cdrom initializes lamp comes for a second and than - nothing. It don´t move. Probe-scsi shows correct entries but any command stands still. Has anybody an idea what happens here? Rainer From wlewis@mailbag.com Fri Jul 12 15:39:19 2002 From: wlewis@mailbag.com (wlewis@mailbag.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:39:19 GMT Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS20 cdrom initializes but don´t move?! Message-ID: <200207121539.g6CFdJq1014071@mailbag.com> > My SS20 cdrom initializes lamp comes for a second and than - nothing. It > don´t move. Probe-scsi shows correct entries but any command stands > still. Has anybody an idea what happens here? Double check your termination and addresses. I'm sure you already have, but check it again - especially if you have an external terminator in the line. I had one that was slightly unseated that caused symptoms like that on an external cdrom. > Rainer > William From rleir@host.ott.igs.net Fri Jul 12 18:10:10 2002 From: rleir@host.ott.igs.net (Rick Leir) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: get rid of X to save disk space In-Reply-To: <200207121524.KAA23879@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: > I have three sparc 5's running on my network at home, headless (and > keyboardless), 170 mhz with 128 megs of RAM. I would > like to get rid of all the X and Openwin stuff on them to make more > room on the disks. I have in the past tried to remove parts of the system to save disk space, but it was laborious and I always broke something. In your case, you probably should leave the X clients installed, and the libraries they use. I would recommend that you leave it all installed. If you need disk space, mount it from another machine with NFS. cheers -- Rick Rick Leir rleir@igs.net 613-828-8289 http://www.igs.net/~rleir/ I tend to think of C# as Java with Security, Reliability and Productivity deleted. -- James Gosling From rleir@host.ott.igs.net Fri Jul 12 18:22:04 2002 From: rleir@host.ott.igs.net (Rick Leir) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: Really? Are you *sure*?????? In-Reply-To: <200207121524.KAA23879@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: >> As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I have >> couple of sites that absolutely demand it. > Really? Are you *sure*?????? Unfortunately, this sort of nonsense is happening in the business world and especially on intranets. Some sites set up the web server with scripts that assume IE for a browser, and as a user you can like it or lump it. As someone else mentioned, Opera can pretend to be IE (in fact it defaults to this). Rick Leir rleir@igs.net 613-828-8289 http://www.igs.net/~rleir/ I tend to think of C# as Java with Security, Reliability and Productivity deleted. -- James Gosling From sean@seanoneill.info Sat Jul 13 01:08:32 2002 From: sean@seanoneill.info (Sean O'Neill) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:08:32 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: Really? Are you *sure*?????? In-Reply-To: References: <200207121524.KAA23879@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712200754.00ad9e80@postoffice.swbell.net> At 02:22 PM 7/12/2002 -0400, Rick Leir wrote: > >> As a loyal Netscape user, I never pictured myself using IE, but I have > >> couple of sites that absolutely demand it. > > > Really? Are you *sure*?????? > >Unfortunately, this sort of nonsense is happening in the business world >and especially on intranets. Some sites set up the web server with >scripts that assume IE for a browser, and as a user you can like it or >lump it. As someone else mentioned, Opera can pretend to be IE (in fact >it defaults to this). True but that doesn't necessarily mean Opera will work correctly on that site. Many times it doesn't work. -- ........................................................ ......... ..- -. .. -..- .-. ..- .-.. . ... ............ .-- .. -. -... .-.. --- .-- ... -.. .-. --- --- .-.. ... Sean O'Neill From bri@sonicboom.org Mon Jul 15 03:18:27 2002 From: bri@sonicboom.org (Brian) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 8 and SS20 into the internet with DSL ? In-Reply-To: <3D2EEF02.60401@pyrmont-akb.de> Message-ID: <20020714201446.P15945-100000@entwistle.sonicboom.org> how many ips you have, need to run nat?? Bri On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Rainer Kraft wrote: > Hello, I just got a SS10 and a SS20 and Solaris 8 on both. What I not > got is a conection to the PC in the network and no connection to the > internet. I installed the developer and the companion. SS10, SS20 and PC > connected with a hub the hub has an uplink to internet over DSL. What > to to now? > Somebody able to help me on the net? I tried some hints from > sonnenblen.de and sunroot.de etc. but up to now I ´m here with the PC > only and my "babies " make me cry! > > Rainer > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net Mon Jul 15 06:09:53 2002 From: negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net (negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:09:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 8 and SS20 into the internet with DSL ? In-Reply-To: <3D2EEF02.60401@pyrmont-akb.de> from "Rainer Kraft" at Jul 12, 2002 05:00:18 PM Message-ID: <20020715060953.74812.qmail@negativl.best.vwh.net> default route not set? Most DSL routers don't support RIP or rdisc, though the dhcp server should assign something. What are you running for DSL? PPPoE, PPPoA, 1483 bridged or routed bridge encapsulation? Do you have a DSL router of some sort? While it's very possible there's a solaris configuration error, you haven't provided enough information for anyone to actually help beyond blind guessing. Most of us aren't in Germany, so we aren't going to know what standards are used there(if any). Rainer Kraft wrote: > > Hello, I just got a SS10 and a SS20 and Solaris 8 on both. What I not > got is a conection to the PC in the network and no connection to the > internet. I installed the developer and the companion. SS10, SS20 and PC > connected with a hub the hub has an uplink to internet over DSL. What > to to now? > Somebody able to help me on the net? I tried some hints from > sonnenblen.de and sunroot.de etc. but up to now I ´m here with the PC > only and my "babies " make me cry! > From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Mon Jul 15 13:49:22 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 8 and SS20 into the internet with DSL ? Message-ID: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA85B@ICTI_MAIL> This is one of those things that is quite easy, but takes a few minutes. First I'll present the manual way, then a quick overview of how to do it via the sys-unconfig command: For the purpose of this discussion, I have a dynamic dns entry at www.dyndns.org of n2vip.dyndns.org (they require contributions now, but there may be other similar services) - this allows me to access my machine remotely. (All assume you are root/super user) You need to collect your DNS nameserver IP addresses from your ISP (some broadband router products have this info available on a status screen), as well as the LAN IP address for the router you are using (not the WAN IP). Add the nameservers to /etc/hosts - assign them names (I tend to use ns-1 and ns-2, anything will do - the names will not be used). (This step may not be needed, but really can't hurt IMHO, and I assume you have your machines networked to each other, correct?) Create /etc/defaultrouter file, simply put the IP address for your broadband router in the file (mine is 192.168.1.1, and that is all that is in my file). Manipulate your /etc/nsswitch.conf to include dns for hosts - the line should look like (may be host, not sure, from memory): : hosts files dns : You should have a file /etc/resolv.conf, it needs to contain your domain name (I am not sure how to add additional nameservers, maybe just add "nameservr lines?): # etc/resolv.conf domain n2vip.dyndns.org nameserver 111.222.333.444 Reboot/restart networking and attempt to access a website outside your environment. You could also simply issue the sys-unconfig command (again, as root), but before you do, add the /etc/defaultrouter file as listed above, and it all could "just work" after you answer all the questions... There is a problem with Solaris during DNS configuration - it *requires* that the DNS servers be accessible on the local subnet - if it asked for a gateway address that problem could be worked around - as it is now, hopefully by creating the /etc/defaultrouter file you can work around that feature/limitation) Hope this helps! Ken === Ken Hansen Group Leader, Validation x1088 - PA Office > -----Original Message----- > From: pyrmont-akb@t-online.de [mailto:pyrmont-akb@t-online.de] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:00 AM > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 8 and SS20 into the internet > with DSL ? > > > Hello, I just got a SS10 and a SS20 and Solaris 8 on both. What I not > got is a conection to the PC in the network and no connection to the > internet. I installed the developer and the companion. SS10, > SS20 and PC > connected with a hub the hub has an uplink to internet over > DSL. What > to to now? > Somebody able to help me on the net? I tried some hints from > sonnenblen.de and sunroot.de etc. but up to now I ´m here with the PC > only and my "babies " make me cry! > > Rainer > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From smilee111@Flashmail.com Mon Jul 15 14:25:05 2002 From: smilee111@Flashmail.com (Vickie NAME) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:25:05 +0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sunrzze,FREE 4 Week Sample of HGH ! Message-ID:
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From mbialik@infinityhealthcare.com Tue Jul 16 09:20:30 2002 From: mbialik@infinityhealthcare.com (Mark Bialik) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:20:30 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Assorted (old) Sparc Hardware Available Message-ID: <3D33E55E.49535704@infinityhealthcare.com> I recently dismantled some old Sun hardware and have the following stuff available. It all worked the last time I checked, but I'm not providing any warranty. I'd prefer to sell it all at the same time. If anyone can use any of it, make me an offer on the whole lot, including S/H. I guesstimate S/H around $6.00 or so... unless you are in the Milwaukee, WI area and want to pick it up. Thnaks, Mark ======================================================================== Quantity (2) Sun Microsystems dual slot SBUS 8 bit color frame buffer part number 501-1645, 13W3 monitor interface. Resolutions available: 1152 x 900 @ 61.8kHz 66Hz. Compatible with Sparc 1 , 1+ , 2, IPX , IPC , and sparc 5. ======================================================================== Quantity (3) 4mb 30pin simm 80ns with Sun barcode For use in Sparc 1, Sparc 1+, Sparc 2, IPC These modules must be installed in sets of 4 4mb Sun Barcode 30pin simm (p/n 501-1739) 501-1739 ======================================================================== Quantity (1) 501-2460 - 4 MB SIMM, 80 ns, 30 pin, [6x0MP] {I believe this stick can be used with the three 501-1739 listed above) ======================================================================== Quantity (16) 501-1697 - 1 MB SIMM, 80 ns, 30 pin, [IPC,SS1+] ======================================================================== Quantity (4) 501-1625 - 4 MB SIMM, 100 ns, 30 pin, [3/80,IPC,SS1,SS1+] ======================================================================= Quantity (1) LSI LOGIC L64811GC CPU Sparc2 40 Mhz For an image: http://homepage1.nifty.com/nhl/museum_cpu.html ======================================================================= Quantity (1) 4/75 (SPARCstation 2) motherboard 16M FCC-A 50MHz CY7C601 @ 40MHz, TI TMS390C601A (602A ?), Sun-4c MMU with 16 hardware contexts. 20MHz SBus. No memory installed. No cables. ======================================================================= From pingouin@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 16 20:26:30 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:26:30 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Trap failure in SS2 In-Reply-To: <3D33E55E.49535704@infinityhealthcare.com> References: <3D33E55E.49535704@infinityhealthcare.com> Message-ID: After almost a year in my closet, I decided to pull my SS2 to install Linux on it. So, I slap it to my PC, pop my favourite terminal program, boot the SS2, and get this: WARNING: Unable to determine keyboard type FAILURE: No Trap Taken, Exp Trap Type = 00000009 I can take the keyboard warning since I have just the serial cable connected tot he back of the SS2. But, what is this trap failure thingie? From dwarren@acheron.servehttp.com Thu Jul 18 18:59:53 2002 From: dwarren@acheron.servehttp.com (Derek Warren,,,) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi all, I just purchased an Ultra 1 and noticed there was no fan sitting on top of the CPU. Given the "failing Ultra 1 CPU fan" stories I've heard on the like (see the post from Jason Grove on 09-August-2001 in the archives), this had me a bit worried! [Jason said...] >Might want to check your logs.. Some of the Ultra 1 170's had a bad fan >on the cpu and it would over heat and shut it self down.. Logically, my Ultra should never have the overheating/shutdown problem because there's no fan, right? ;-D Seriously: was there ever a revision of the Ultra 1 that shipped without a fan? The Ultra I have sitting on my desk is the 170MHz model (non-E) and the heat sink on the CPU is hto to the touch, though not scorchingly so. I'd appreciate any input on this! Cheers, Derek From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Thu Jul 18 19:52:40 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:52:40 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Heatsink fan on U1/170 (non-E) Message-ID: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA8A2@ICTI_MAIL> My advice would be to check the sun hardware reference guide for the exact part number motherboard you have - there may have been a rev without a CPU fan, and that will confirm it for you... A non-existent fan can't fail (I agree!), but if the MB was designed without one, then it may use a cooler-running CPU and not need one. You could, if you are concerned about it (as you appear to be), rig a PC CPU Fan to cool the CPU either directly or by causing additional airflow over the heatsink fins. Sorry I couldn't be of more help... Ken === Ken Hansen > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Warren,,, [mailto:dwarren@acheron.servehttp.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:00 PM > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject) > > > Hi all, > > I just purchased an Ultra 1 and noticed there was no fan > sitting on top of the CPU. Given the "failing Ultra 1 CPU > fan" stories I've heard on the like (see the post from > Jason Grove on 09-August-2001 in the archives), this had > me a bit worried! From jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil Thu Jul 18 20:03:11 2002 From: jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_ACC/DRMI?=) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:03:11 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: missing fan in Ultra 170 Message-ID: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A242ED463A@fsmuhj26> Derek, I have an Ultra 1 Model 140. After buying it, I ran it for quite a while before opening the lid. Sure enough, the fan was dead. No telling how long it had been that way, but I headed off to the local computer parts store and picked up a nice $5 fan than has kept it cool for the past couple years. Even if yours was produced without a fan (rather unlikely I think), adding a fan to keep the cpu cool is a great idea. Stay cool, Jake Jacob K. Brödersen III Senior Engineer, Jacobs/Sverdrup HQ ACC/DRMI DSN 574-1710 COMM (757) 764-1710 jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil From mh1272@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 21:08:54 2002 From: mh1272@yahoo.com (Hichael Morton) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: missing fan in Ultra 170 In-Reply-To: <40DF250ED058964F8245E8CED6E1A242ED463A@fsmuhj26> Message-ID: <20020718210854.28375.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Sun had problems with the Ultra 1 with CPU fans. The fix was a new systemboard with a much larger heatsink & no CPU fan. The Sun remedy for a dead CPU fan is to replace the systemboard with the newer non-fan systemboard. If one is paying for the fix, replacing the fan is a much cheaper way to go. (This, of course, assumes that one is not "all thumbs".) This morning, Sun had 3 of these CPU fans in their parts system. (I just ordered one for a customer.) --- Brödersen_Jacob_K_Civ_ACC/DRMI wrote: > Derek, > > I have an Ultra 1 Model 140. After buying it, I ran > it for quite a while > before opening the lid. Sure enough, the fan was > dead. No telling how long > it had been that way, but I headed off to the local > computer parts store and > picked up a nice $5 fan than has kept it cool for > the past couple years. > > Even if yours was produced without a fan (rather > unlikely I think), adding a > fan to keep the cpu cool is a great idea. > > Stay cool, > > Jake > > Jacob K. Brödersen III > Senior Engineer, Jacobs/Sverdrup > HQ ACC/DRMI > DSN 574-1710 > COMM (757) 764-1710 > jacob.brodersen2@langley.af.mil > > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From jeffw@smoe.org Thu Jul 18 21:18:22 2002 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:18:22 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Heatsink fan on U1/170 (non-E) In-Reply-To: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA8A2@ICTI_MAIL> References: <34F70A1F6649D611AC1C0002B35B4AD90CA8A2@ICTI_MAIL> Message-ID: <20020718211822.GU458@jane.smoe.org> > > I just purchased an Ultra 1 and noticed there was no fan > > sitting on top of the CPU. Given the "failing Ultra 1 CPU > > fan" stories I've heard on the like (see the post from > > Jason Grove on 09-August-2001 in the archives), this had > > me a bit worried! I'm pretty sure Sun switched to a fanless heatsink to fix the failing fan issue. So, having a fanless heatsink is a good thing. -j From negativl@best.com Thu Jul 18 21:21:07 2002 From: negativl@best.com (Ray Wong) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:21:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject) In-Reply-To: from "Derek Warren,,," at Jul 18, 2002 11:59:53 AM Message-ID: <20020718212107.9916.qmail@negativl.best.vwh.net> I vaguely recall a U1/UE1-170 with a big ole heatsink instead of a fan, but it certainly wasn't all of them. It was towards the EOL of the product. The easy way to tell is to look at the sink. Are there holes (gaps) in the fins for screws/bolts to go down that anchored the old fan? If it's a solid, no-holes heatsink, it wasn't designed to take a fan. Otherwise someone yanked the fan out of a normal one (a dead fan is worse than no fan on a fanned-sink, since the dead fan is actually an insulator). If that's the case go find a 1.5" x 1/4 fan and the store (some PGA-370 PC heatsinks will have the same size fan, just measure the distance between the holes and also the clearance for the fan, and dig around until you find something with a fan that fits. Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl at best.com, negativl at rayw.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club From jgrove@wvu.edu Fri Jul 19 14:27:56 2002 From: jgrove@wvu.edu (Jason Grove) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <3D3821EC.3040207@wvu.edu> Yeah, I think the cpu they replaced in the Ultra1 we had the problem is did not have a fan, just a bigger heat sink. Haven't had a problem with it since, and it runs 24x7... jason Derek Warren,,, wrote: > Hi all, > > I just purchased an Ultra 1 and noticed there was no fan sitting on top of > the CPU. Given the "failing Ultra 1 CPU fan" stories I've heard on the > like (see the post from Jason Grove on 09-August-2001 in the archives), > this had me a bit worried! > > [Jason said...] > >>Might want to check your logs.. Some of the Ultra 1 170's had a bad fan >>on the cpu and it would over heat and shut it self down.. >> > > Logically, my Ultra should never have the overheating/shutdown problem > because there's no fan, right? ;-D Seriously: was there ever a revision > of the Ultra 1 that shipped without a fan? The Ultra I have sitting on my > desk is the 170MHz model (non-E) and the heat sink on the CPU is hto to > the touch, though not scorchingly so. > > I'd appreciate any input on this! > > Cheers, > Derek > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > -- Jason Grove | One Waterfront Place Principal Systems Administrator | PO Box 6504 WVU Information Systems | Morgantown, WV 26506-6504 Ph: 304.293.3011 x 2115 | E-Mail: jgrove@wvu.edu From barbie@toppoint.de Sat Jul 20 03:07:12 2002 From: barbie@toppoint.de (Barbie LeVile) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:07:12 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020720050712.3e9ab5b7.barbie@toppoint.de> On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:59:53 -0700 "Derek Warren,,," wrote: > > Logically, my Ultra should never have the overheating/shutdown problem > because there's no fan, right? ;-D Seriously: was there ever a revision > of the Ultra 1 that shipped without a fan? yes, indeed. they droped the fan as they started to die in droves and redesigned it to run without a fan. -- Barbie - Prayers are like junkmail for Jesus I have seen things you lusers would not believe. I've seen Sun monitors on fire off the side of the multimedia lab. I've seen NTU lights glitter in the dark near the Mail Gate. All these things will be lost in time, like the root partition last week. Time to die. From arizonajeep@cox.net Thu Jul 25 03:35:52 2002 From: arizonajeep@cox.net (Joe W) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:35:52 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Internet Access with Cable Modem Message-ID: <003c01c2338c$61ec0150$0200a8c0@cx570167g> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23351.B58D2950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I'm in the process of setting up a SPARCstation 20 with dual processors and I seem to be having difficulties getting the machine to recognize my internet connection. My LAN is DHCP and I can ping and FTP to each computer on my home LAN from the SS20, but I cannot reach the internet through my router... the SPARCstation sees all the computers on my network but no internet. Anyone have any suggestions? I apologize if this is a stupid question but I'm fairly new to sysadmin type tasks in UNIX. Kind Regards, Joe ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23351.B58D2950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23351.B58D2950-- From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Thu Jul 25 13:56:06 2002 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:56:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Internet Access with Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <003c01c2338c$61ec0150$0200a8c0@cx570167g> References: <003c01c2338c$61ec0150$0200a8c0@cx570167g> Message-ID: <200207251401.KAA09676@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > [...] I seem to be having difficulties getting the machine to > recognize my internet connection. [...] It's difficult to do much but ask more questions.... Your message doesn't include any indication of what OS you're running or, except for the "Cable Modem" in the Subject:, what your netlink is, and even that isn't very informative, because there are numerous possible causes depending on things like what the topology of your house LAN is. For example, are you connecting the cablemodem directly to your house Ethernet, or do you have a machine playing gateway? If the former, are you sure it's supposed to work that way? Many such setups don't permit more than one address per modem. If the latter, is the machine in question the SS20 you mention, or some other? What reason do you think to have it's not working? That is, what are you trying, and do you get errors, do you get no errors but no response, what? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com Thu Jul 25 14:03:39 2002 From: Ken.Hansen@ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:03:39 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Internet Access with Cable Modem Message-ID: do you have a "defaultrouter file"? You need to set up a file /etc/defaultrouter to simply contain the IP address of your cable/modem. Also, you will have to configure DNS if you haven't already - I dunno if Solaris DHCP picks up DNS nameservers "automagicly"... I hope this helps, Ken === Ken Hansen -----Original Message----- From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:36 PM To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Internet Access with Cable Modem Hello everyone, I'm in the process of setting up a SPARCstation 20 with dual processors and I seem to be having difficulties getting the machine to recognize my internet connection. My LAN is DHCP and I can ping and FTP to each computer on my home LAN from the SS20, but I cannot reach the internet through my router... the SPARCstation sees all the computers on my network but no internet. Anyone have any suggestions? I apologize if this is a stupid question but I'm fairly new to sysadmin type tasks in UNIX. Kind Regards, Joe From pingouin@bellsouth.net Thu Jul 25 16:48:13 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:48:13 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device In-Reply-To: <20020720050712.3e9ab5b7.barbie@toppoint.de> References: <20020720050712.3e9ab5b7.barbie@toppoint.de> Message-ID: Dumb question: I just changed the PROM in my Sparc20 with a hyperSPARC (Rev. 2.25R) one I got off eBay. Problem is that it wants to netboot. Could anyone tell me how to permanently configure it to boot off the disk with SCSI #3. I thought I remembered but now I feel like Homer Simpson... ok probe-scsi Target 1 Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST31200W SUN1.05872400650796 Copyright (c) 1994 Seagate All rights reserved 0000 Target 3 <------- The one I want to use since it was my boot disk Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST32430W SUN2.1G066600520918 Copyright (c) 1995 Seagate All rights reserved Target 6 Unit 0 Removable Read Only device TOSHIBA XM-4101TASUNSLCD342412/08/94 ok From rjw@alembic.com Thu Jul 25 17:47:01 2002 From: rjw@alembic.com (Ron Wickersham) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: most likely at the ok prompt: setenv boot-dev disk if that doesn't work setenv boot-dev disk3 -ron On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Mauricio wrote: > Dumb question: I just changed the PROM in my Sparc20 with a > hyperSPARC (Rev. 2.25R) one I got off eBay. Problem is that it wants > to netboot. Could anyone tell me how to permanently configure it to > boot off the disk with SCSI #3. I thought I remembered but now I > feel like Homer Simpson... > > ok probe-scsi > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST31200W SUN1.05872400650796 > Copyright (c) 1994 Seagate > All rights reserved 0000 > Target 3 <------- The one I want to use since it was my boot disk > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST32430W SUN2.1G066600520918 > Copyright (c) 1995 Seagate > All rights reserved > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only device TOSHIBA XM-4101TASUNSLCD342412/08/94 > > > ok > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net Fri Jul 26 00:18:21 2002 From: negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net (negativl@negativl.best.vwh.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:18:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device In-Reply-To: from "Ron Wickersham" at Jul 25, 2002 10:47:01 AM Message-ID: <20020726001821.3240.qmail@negativl.best.vwh.net> Close... Don't forget that on a SS20, by default disk 0 and disk3 are swapped. devaliases to be sure. it's either a disk0 or disk3. If it's disk0 then disk also works of course. However, his problem possibly isn't the boot-device. Because he swapped in the new prom, he maybe needs to do do a setenv diag-switch?=false to get it out of diagnostics mode, which always want to netboot. :) > most likely at the ok prompt: > > setenv boot-dev disk > > if that doesn't work > > setenv boot-dev disk3 > > -ron > > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Mauricio wrote: > > > Dumb question: I just changed the PROM in my Sparc20 with a > > hyperSPARC (Rev. 2.25R) one I got off eBay. Problem is that it wants > > to netboot. Could anyone tell me how to permanently configure it to > > boot off the disk with SCSI #3. I thought I remembered but now I > > feel like Homer Simpson... > > > > ok probe-scsi > > Target 1 > > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST31200W SUN1.05872400650796 > > Copyright (c) 1994 Seagate > > All rights reserved 0000 > > Target 3 <------- The one I want to use since it was my boot disk > > Unit 0 Disk SEAGATE ST32430W SUN2.1G066600520918 > > Copyright (c) 1995 Seagate > > All rights reserved Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl at best.com, negativl at rayw.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club From pingouin@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 26 12:25:27 2002 From: pingouin@bellsouth.net (Mauricio) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:47 -0700 7/25/02, Ron Wickersham wrote: >most likely at the ok prompt: > >setenv boot-dev disk > >if that doesn't work > >setenv boot-dev disk3 > >-ron Here is an update: I did try "setenv boot-dev disk" and "setenv boot-dev disk3", but thy did not work. Then, at the suggestion of a friend, I did "printenv" and found that diag-switch? was set to true (and diag-device was set to net). So, I had it set back to false and was finally able to boot. Thanks for all the help! I have another question, though: test net is having a hard time doing external loopback test, which we know: ok test net Using AUI Ethernet Interface Internal loopback test -- succeeded. External loopback test -- Lost Carrier (transceiver cable problem?) send failed. Using TP Ethernet Interface Internal loopback test -- succeeded. External loopback test -- Lost Carrier (transceiver cable problem?) send failed. net selftest failed. Return code = -1 ok All that means is that I do not have a handy-dandy test connector with the appropriate loops wired to it, right? From tedp@replicant.apana.org.au Fri Jul 26 13:45:24 2002 From: tedp@replicant.apana.org.au (Ted Palmer) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:45:24 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device References: <20020720050712.3e9ab5b7.barbie@toppoint.de> Message-ID: <3D415274.2920@replicant.apana.org.au> Mauricio wrote: > Dumb question: I just changed the PROM in my Sparc20 with a > hyperSPARC (Rev. 2.25R) one I got off eBay. Problem is that it wants > to netboot. Could anyone tell me how to permanently configure it to > boot off the disk with SCSI #3. I thought I remembered but now I > feel like Homer Simpson... First thing to do, at the "ok " prompt, is the command "set-defaults" as this will set the parameters to default settings. Then enter the command "printenv". Look for the Parameter Name "diag-switch?". This should be set to "false". If it is not, the enter "setenv diag-switch? false". Don't forget the question mark in the Parameter Name if you have to do this. The "diag-device?" is usually set to "net". When the "diag-switch?" is set to "true", it will look out on the "net" device. Mister_T Melbourne Australia From Don Woodward" Message-ID: <070201c234b8$e7b9b750$0300000a@abraxis.com> Only if diag-device is set to net. I change it to disk when I set my systems to diagnostic boot. Don Woodward ----- Original Message ----- From: get it out of diagnostics mode, which always want to netboot. From negativl@best.com Fri Jul 26 17:08:07 2002 From: negativl@best.com (Ray Wong) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device In-Reply-To: <070201c234b8$e7b9b750$0300000a@abraxis.com> from "Don Woodward" at Jul 26, 2002 11:27:07 AM Message-ID: <20020726170807.73305.qmail@negativl.best.vwh.net> > Only if diag-device is set to net. I change it to disk when I set my systems to > diagnostic boot. sort of defeats the purpose of diag mode, doesn't it? I like to set it to cdrom or leave it at net. Hey, come to think of it, does it support multiple values (like boot-device can be "disk disk1 net")? Having it be "cdrom net disk" would be sort of nice, just in case there's a real reason for having it in diag mode. Will have to try that when I get home. Anyway, if you've done nothing to change the system, it shouldn't ever be in diag mode. If it's in diag mode, you should take it out of diag mode. :) Setting it up so diag mode effectively doesn't exist just seems... lazy. :D From Don Woodward" Message-ID: <07d101c234d1$0e58e030$0300000a@abraxis.com> I'm not setting it up to "defeat" diag mode. I use Diag mode to give much more robust boot messages to the console. I only use it when I want to detect a problem. Do you think diag-mode is only used to detect disk problems? "Net" is just another choice to boot from - it has nothing specifically to do with diag-mode, other than for some reason Sun choose to set the PROM default that way. How many home users have a diagnostic boot setup on their net? NOT MANY! At any rate if your problem is something other than the disk, the diag-device setting isn't going to matter. What's "lazy" about using DIAG mode the way it was intended? Don Woodward ----- Original Message ----- "Ray Wong" wrote ... Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 13:08 Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Configuring SS20 boot prom to boot the right device > Only if diag-device is set to net. I change it to disk when I set my systems to > diagnostic boot. sort of defeats the purpose of diag mode, doesn't it? Setting it up so diag mode effectively doesn't exist just seems... lazy. :D From bkdurham@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 28 16:15:20 2002 From: bkdurham@sbcglobal.net (bkdurham@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:15:20 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun type 4 mouse for shipping costs Message-ID: <001d01c23651$f88c7280$020110ac@hal> Hi - I have an extra type 4 optical mouse from my SparcStation 10 - part number is SUN 370-1170-01, no mouse pad included. It works. Just tested it in my SS10. First $3 via PayPal gets it. Please contact me before trying to pay me. :) Continental United States only, please. Best, Brian Durham From costellob@asme.org Wed Jul 31 05:17:27 2002 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] PCI network card support Message-ID: <3D4772E7.7010300@asme.org> I need a network card from my Ultra 30 and want to know if anyone knows if any of the lower cost Pee-Cee network cards can work in my machine. I searched Sun web site as well as 3Com's. I found nothing on Sun's site and while I could find a few drivers on 3Com's site, they seemed to be for Solaris for the Intel Platform. Has anyone been successful doing this. Sun does have a 10/100 card on thier web site but they want $695 for it. -- Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area From lisj@necas.nec.co.jp Wed Jul 31 07:40:43 2002 From: lisj@necas.nec.co.jp (lisj) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:40:43 +0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] How to set up a TIP connection between 2 sun workstations Message-ID: <008301c23865$93e81cb0$cf091cac@lisj> Hi, all I want to set up a tip connection between two sun workstations. The type of the machine is SUN Blade 100, it only has 1 serial port, the two machines are the same type. I connected the two machine's serial port with a bougnt serial line( with 2 DB9 female connectors). Then I modified the /etc/remote file on one machine(the local), modified the 'hardwire' line from the default '/term/b' to '/term/a'. And then typed 'tip hardwire' on the local machine, it echoed 'connected', then it diplayed nothing, even though I typed the return again and again. But if I type '~?', it can echo the help list, and type '~.', it can exit. Is the above phenomenon right? How can I know the tip connection is established? Shouldn't it display 'Login' after it display 'connected'? I also tested the other case. The config of the two machines is as above. I typed 'tip hardwire' on the local machine, and I removed the keyboard and display from the other machine(the remote), then I switched on the remote machine. And the console output of the remote machine appeared on the local machine's tip window. Does this mean the serial cable is ok? If someone tell me the detail of how to set up a tip connection between 2 sun workstations, I will be very appreciated. By the way, I establish the tip connection for the KSLD, if you know something about KSLD, please also tell me. Thanks a lot. From jeffw@smoe.org Wed Jul 31 14:55:43 2002 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] PCI network card support In-Reply-To: <3D4772E7.7010300@asme.org> References: <3D4772E7.7010300@asme.org> Message-ID: <20020731145543.GQ17599@jane.smoe.org> On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:17:27PM -0700, Brian Costello wrote: > I need a network card from my Ultra 30 and want to know if anyone knows if > any of the lower cost Pee-Cee network cards can work in my machine. I > searched > Sun web site as well as 3Com's. I found nothing on Sun's site and while > I could find a > few drivers on 3Com's site, they seemed to be for Solaris for the Intel > Platform. Has > anyone been successful doing this. Sun does have a 10/100 card on thier > web site but > they want $695 for it. You've got a couple of choices. Drivers for regular ethernet cards are available at: http://garrett.damore.org/software/ethernet/index.shtml Xnyx sells a fairly inexpensive 1-port card (they also have 2 and 4 port cards): http://www.znyx.com/products/hardware/zx340q.htm Your last choice is ebay. If you end up getting a regular ethernet card to work with drivers from http://garrett.damore.org, I'd appreciate hearing about it. -jeff